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 How To Buy A Forester XT

Warning, this is long and detailed!

After several maintenance items that I'd been putting off on my Accord, it started burning oil like crazy (1 quart per 1,000 miles). I was concerned that I was losing a piston ring (common with the F23A1 engine in my generation Accord). Even if that wasn't the problem, I was looking at a minimum of $2,000 to keep the Accord running properly, without having to worry about possible engine rebuilds or replacements. The trade-in value was a mere $3K while the private party was probably $4.5K, meaning I would have to spend half the value of the car just to keep it at it's mediocre condition.

I decided to finally look seriously at the Subaru Forester XT (FXT), which I had been eyeing for a couple years. Subaru of Schaumburg had a used 2005 FXT so I went to look at it, vowing not to buy anything yet as I hadn't prepared my finances. The two year old car already had 55K miles on it and unfortunately was an automatic. On top of the that, the dealer was selling it for $18K, which would be fine if it had a normal amount of miles on it (30-40K) but not 55K. When I suggested that I would be interested in a new one, the salesman, Viktor, quickly started working the numbers. There were two main negotiation points that I had. 1) I was not ready to buy, even though I could afford it and 2) they did not have the model I wanted.

The first can help because you can walk away any time. If they know you need a car today, then you may have to give something up on the negotiation, especially if you've already invested a good amount of time with them and closing time is approaching. You've put yourself up against a wall so try to avoid this. It's also important that you already know what you can and can't afford so you're not making dumb decisions. Of course, playing hardball is also an option if you say, "I'm ready to buy today if the price is right." They want your money and money talks. But again, this works better if you don't need the car and can walk away (or they don't know you need it).

The second point helps for a similar reason. The dealer wants to sell you a car and get your money today, even if they don't have the car you want. If they try to charge you more for a special order, just walk away and go to another dealer (unless they run after you and fix the problem). And of course, if you know you want a certain model or color, don't compromise because you have to live with that car for the next few years. Again, you can play hardball, but I'm personally not that aggressive so I've found that hesitation will help them to sweeten the deal to get you to play.

So Viktor told me the sticker price for a regular Forester XT Sport with 5-speed Manual: $25,995 MSRP + $625 Destination = $26,620. Subaru had their All-Wheel-Deal which was $1,000 cash back, bringing the price down to $25,620. He asked what he had to do to sell the car. Now I didn't do any research on the 07 model so I completely guessed that the MSRP markup was about $2,000 so I asked for $24,000. He laughed saying that Subaru doesn't have such large markups and asked me where I got that number. I told him I made it up (which I did) so he went to talk to the manager and they came back with $24,800.

I told him that sounded pretty good but asked about my trade-in. He asked what I wanted and I said $3,000. He checked on that and said it would be fine and asked if I was ready to buy. I wasn't so he went to see the manager again and came back with $24,500. Then he asked me to sign a piece of paper with the price, but since I wasn't ready to buy, I didn't want to sign it. I then told him how I had just spent 100 for a new tire on the Accord so he changed the price to $24,400. I asked for some time and pulled out my loptop to see what I could afford. I knew I could afford it, but mentally, I just wasn't prepared to buy a new car since I had vowed not to buy anything. So Viktor went to the manager again and came back with $24,200. I thought that sounded pretty good so I signed the paper.

So how good a deal is that? Well, the invoice price is $24,380 + $625 Destination = $25,005. So was I getting $800 below invoice? From my point of view, yes. From the dealer point of view, no. The dealer was selling me the car at $25,200 so they were getting $195 over invoice, which is generally considered a "fair" profit for the dealer (they don't actually pay invoice due to wholesale pricing from the manufacturer and other deals). The other $1,000 comes from Subaru, for a net of $24,200 (you will see all these numbers below). So this deal was fair to everyone. But the story's not over yet.

So then I was transfered to the financing guy where they calculate tax, title, license, paperwork fees, financing and warranty. As a reminder, don't buy a car in the City of Chicago b/c the tax rate is 8% instead of 7%. Now, there were a few more bumps here. First, the car I wanted wasn't available so I would have to wait for it. But for some reason they really wanted my Accord so they offered me a loaner car if I would go get the title that night. The second bump was that I hadn't prepared my financing and had no way to pay for my 2,200 down payment. So they waived their $1,000 limit and took my Chase Subaru MasterCard. I also had $600 in Subaru Bucks (earned from that same Subaru Card).

Finally, it was time to talk financing. Based on my credit, he quoted me a 6.15% interest rate. I don't know if this is a Subaru thing only, but once again, they offered me a lower interest rate, 4.9% if I purchased an extended warranty (I haven't experienced this at non-Subaru dealers). Over the life of the loan, the lower interest rate would almost cover the cost so I went ahead and got a 6 year warranty. They asked for three color preferences, but I told them I only wanted Obsidian Black Pearl and would wait until they found it. I signed the pile of papers and then went home to unload all the junk in my trunk (har, har) and pick up the Subaru Bucks and Title.

It's amazing the things you find in your old car when you're really cleaning it out... I had to get everything out: papers, maps, CDs, garage opener, iPass, sunglasses, jumper cables, subwoofers, amplifier, etc. I also replaced the spare tire (which was in my garbage because it had gone flat and failed). Unfortunately I did not have time to remove the amplifier power cable or the Sony 10 CD changer. I also didn't have time to remove some of the simpler bolt-ons that I could have sold on eBay (Tenzo R strut bar, DC Sports short shift adapter, Momo shift pedals) but oh well. I returned the now empty car to the dealer and picked up my loaner 07 Forester X.

8 days later, I received a call that my FXT had arrived. I went to pick it up and as promised, the dealer re-did all the paperwork with the VIN and honored their price of $25,200 plus $1,000 Subaru cash (applied toward the downpayment). Then I found out that I didn't get the car I ordered. Well, the car itself was right, except that it had almost $500 in options. However, they honored their quoted price so I got those options for free, putting my final standing at about $1,300 below invoice. Not too shabby.

So here are my numbers:
Price Summary
    Invoice   MSRP
Car Price   24,380.00   25,995.00
Destination +
625.00
 
625.00
Compass Mirror +
183.00
 
183.00
Popular Equip +
302.00
 
302.00

Total Price  
25,490.00
  27,105.00
My Price 25,200.00
My Savings   290.00   1,905.00
Out-The-Door / Financing Summary
My Price 25,200.00
Doc Fees +
58.48
Trade-in -
3,000.00

Net Price (for taxes)  
22,258.48
State Tax (7%) +
1,558.09
County Tax +
181.94
License & Title +
143.00
Extended Warranty +
1,500.00
All-Wheel Deal Cash -
1,000.00
Subaru Bucks -
600.00
Down Payment -
2,200.00

Amount Financed @ 4.9%
21,841.51
Cook County Sales Tax (1%)*   $222.58
* Cook County tracked me down several months later for this.


 

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